These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! (My) fear was in upsetting James What God Gives Black Americans That The Country Does Not, Baylor, Louisiana State University and More Colleges Report Revivals Happening on Campus, Why Asbury University Decided to End Revival Services This Week, Faith Leaders Push Back on Asbury Revival Criticism, Southern Baptists Expel Rick Warrens Saddleback Church for Ordaining a Female Pastor, GET OUR TOP 5 ARTICLES IN YOUR INBOX EACH WEEKDAY, This Story of a Fugitive Nun Who Faked Her Own Death to Escape a Convent Is Insane, Watch: Frozen 2s Trailer Promises an Epic, Possibly Darker Sequel, Dont Forget, Theres a Lot Right With the Church, Too, The Asbury Outpouring Has Come to a Close. Worship With Us. Nellie, The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. Will those men now be known for their mark as sinful followers of James? After that, I felt like my time was wasted. I want to thank you for having the courage to add your testimony to the voices of those who have been abused by HBC. She will be one of many many many many who come forward so if you dont like it, dont read. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. It, honestly, has been the biggest source of my own sin and self inflicted suffering. We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. At Camp Harvest in 2009, for example, the pastor shot at a target that contained photos of some elders wives. I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. Woah there Nellie! Its about the hurting. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. As happens in evangelicalism, Harvest effectively became its own denomination, with MacDonald at its head. than submission to leaders Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. I love you and our Lird. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. Others will be hurtit is a matter of time. Find a church with great accountability. Fear is never a godly way of governing. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. These are the same elders that signed off on James filing the law suit against the Ryan Mahoney and his wife, Scott Bryant and his wife, and Julie Roys! I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! It isnt about timing. Let us pray God will send His Spirit upon us and cure us of this. For our premium ad-free experience, including exclusive podcasts, issues and more, subscribe to. Data Coordination. Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. Transparency in finances Thanks for being so honest. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. What I have realized is the weakness and defeatism of so-called Christians who immediately abandon their Church when trouble comes its way. You are a blessing to many in need. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. Subscribe to CT Based on just the first few paragraphs, I hear you! The Rolling Meadows Campus is our founding campus and for more than three decades has testified to God's faithfulness. Others have gone before you in challenging HBC to help pave the way and have paid the consequences for their courage. Love for God, relationships, and the church. Ill let the others fight that fight today. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! On January 8th, after learning that anything obtained through subpoenas related to the lawsuit could be made public, however, Harvest Bible Chapel dropped the lawsuit. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. And come together in prayer, fasting and humility before Jesus that He enables us to be the people He died for. The question is, how many pastors/leaders are actually GIVING AWAY the ministry and equipping others for it? No, I dont as well as many others. As a former elder for three years at the Elgin campus ( it wasnt a true elder board then and it still isnt now ), I couldnt agree with you more, that all the infected parts have to excised! It is not with the powerful; it is those whom the powerful make to feel like theyre nothing. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman/person ruled by fear. There the preacher has no real power at all. 1 Song. Thank you again, Thank you for your honest post. I was counted as one of the privileged ones and considered it a great honor to know James personally and even be considered as part of his inner circle at that time. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. Jesus taught eternal love. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. I think that was beautifully stated. Now that these differences with MacDonald have come to resolution, our focus and full attention are on the future of Harvest Bible Chapel, they said. We dont know each other, but I found this via Julie Roys Twitter. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. Nellie-What you might not know. The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. I will only say that if it is right and important to address a culture of fear within the church, it is equally important to address the same for our country. 3:48. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. Harvest responded by suing both bloggers, their wives, and Julie Roys. I totally agree with you Patti. Thank you. I didnt want to upset James. Because Jeff is still lying to peoples faces with a smug grin as recently as Saturday night. Faith is Christ living. Opt out of mega church? In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. No shame here for Lina. Many people went to leaders and spoke up. In 2013, in a story covered bymajor evangelical news outlets, Harvest publicly excommunicated two former elders who were still members of Harvest. There were other things that caused us to leave also. James said it many times himself, chose to sin, Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald forengaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best interests of the church., Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. Be very careful Azaelea. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Were you bullied by those elders named? I have a Patreon! I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. Too many of these large churches have lost track of what their true purpose is. Both of us were involved in many forms of leadership and had invested for many years in the outreach of the church and all of its fellowship. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! What had these individuals done? The abuse I suffered first hand and working through the realizations and implications of that abuse have been traumatic. The fallout has only just begun. I share a lot of the same feelings. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Thats what happens to us as individuals and us as a collection of people. 1 Timothy 5:20: But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. Thank you for your honesty and your explanation. So here I am, piecing together a years-long scandal for you. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. Please see my link. No church is, because they are all filled with sinners like us. (Matthew 12:33-37). She loves the Word and words, is a binge reader and grammar nut, and is fanatic (as her family can attest) about Jeopardy! (Proverbs 16:18). Dont find that in the Bible. Im far removed from this situation, but saddened by it nonetheless. That is why I really rally for our black preacher and pastors like Keion Henderson, https://www.keionhenderson.com/about-us/ ! I miss that about you. I speak as one who has gone thru it, like you. But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. Authority? Those of us that have experienced spiritual abuse and church hurt personally can truly resonate with your story. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. Those who step out of line are often dismissed. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . You are completely right on! Hi Sally, After leaving Harvest no one from the church reached out to me to see how I was doing, to ask why I left. I do have cds and dvd of contemporary Christian artists. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. Wounds take a great deal of time to heal and its appropriate to share them and warn others to avoid similar church abuse. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. You are courageous! Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on herblog. I was brushed off. Truth is healthy. That is who God truly cares about. You take feed back to heart and you use it as growth points. Ross, Ross, In Christian arbitration, the preacher was granted $1.45 million and the rights to Walk in the Word. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. Matthew 7:15: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You can read about the continued corruption and fraud here: Dan George's Resignation. These churches do not usually belong to any denominational body; this means that these pastors have no body above them that they are accountable to. Is it perfect? The elders and pastoral board have created a team called Harvest 2020 to conduct a complete review of what happened, and of the church. Oh my how that resonated with me and the experiences my beloved and I have had with churches in the UK. Such lack of accountability is often a problem at megachurches, which tend to be founded by charismatic individuals who quickly amass a large following. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. I wont make that mistake again. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. I pray for the leaders. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. Vicki Stevenson, I have not read your blogs for some time but the Holy Spirit caused me to stop and read this post. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. It is important to bring light to this matter, help yourself and others heal and put a new song of praise and trust in Our God. Thank you for your honestly, I personally did not ask why you left, because we left approximately the same time for the same reasons. We are the Church! Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing. A peacemaking process, while helpful for personal and relational reconciliation, is not the approach to address failed governance, biblical disqualification, and a toxic leadership environment.. A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. Hes a lemonade maker. www. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. How about some GRACE !!! Again I dont blame James MacDonald. 1. May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. It was simply not possible. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. I did not fear God as much as I feared James and longed for his approval. I will pray for healing in the hearts and lives of those affected by this tragedy. Thanks Sheila. I have always wondered why you left Lina but didnt know you personally to ask. You can read that article here. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. sheripine@cbcglendora.org. Do you think God approves of pastors who deliberately scam their congregation for years, use his name for money and abuse people for the Almighty Dollar? for what its worth, the timing of the writing is His perfect timing. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Its who you are! The practice of medicine is not an exact science; neither is navigating very tough and painful circumstances such as this. Division and to take a part a ministry that was reaching and teaching people all over the world. Instead, it was MacDonald and his inner circle that were making the decisions, unilaterally. Will James not wake up and realize that the Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son? Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. It IS her truth WORLD Magazine and other evangelical news outlets celebrated this resolution. The Asbury Revival Is Over. [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Did you know that Satan and his minions come to Harvest? Count on it. All I have to say Lina is thank you! In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. This should not be! We are to fear God not man. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. According to Roys extensive research and interviews, changes didnt occur at Harvest; instead, questionable treatment and practices continued. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. Isnt this just what the enemy of our souls would want? He is very likely not a brother in Christ. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. Youve blessed me when I heard you speak at a Harvest Womens event about 10 yrs ago, through your radio ministry and at an event you spoke at last year. Also I Cor. Since I know I am capable of the worst sin, I am choosing to show grace and praying fervently. As Pastor James has said in the past, truth and time go hand-in-hand. Listen, believe, obey, shut up. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. Yet their silence hurt me and sometimes made me question the validity of my reasons for leaving. But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. who we really love. School of the Bible at 9:00am Wednesdaysat 7:00pm Give Online Contact Us 10088 N. Highway 99 Stockton, CA 95212 office@hbcstockton.org (209) 931-9548 Copyright 2023, Harvest Bible Church. Thank you for sharing your story, Lina. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. Thank you Lina, It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. He was a very good speaker and teacher of the Bible but was forced to resign from our church a few years back. In a statement, the elders indicated they had accepted the apology and, in turn, agreed to leave [the church] alone and let the elder board bring about the necessary reforms.. You are open to correction, feeling hurt when it comes. Our enemy loves this. What Happens Now? What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops.. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. God is using this to grow me as he does in all trials, so for that Im grateful. Thank You for writing your blog. Gordon Zwirkoski, a former Harvest elder and the original director of HBF, told Roys that James MacDonald essentially wields ultimate authority at the church and cultivates a spirit of fear in the staff. Former Harvest employee Dave Jones says his church has welcomed dozens of Harvest refugees who show signs of spiritual abuse and are disillusioned.. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . Pastor James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel, was given the boot last week by church elders after "highly inappropriate . He clearly told me that they send out reminders to give. When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. Prevent these types of money exchange corporations, I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. I really think you hit the nail on the head when you said you realized something dark about yourself, that you had been a woman ruled by fearand I could identify with what you said since I had been that woman too. You are absolutely right about the fear! When is God pleased at his church? Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. 1.) He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. God is a for-others being he can not lie, therefore, he can not be for Himself. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. In the early 2000s, Harvest embarked on an ambitious expansion plan, aiming to form "10 churches in 10 years." Since then the church has opened locations in Elgin, Highland Park, Niles, Crystal. Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . What are you authorized to do? 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